Lemon Squeezie clarification ...

[gothik]

Before asking the rules clarifying questions, let's review the text of both the card itself and what is included in the booklets that came with the set.

In the latest Killer Bunnies game (Killer Bunnies and the Conquest of the Magic Carrot[/b]), SPECIAL card #ZZ/0847 titled Lemon Squeezie bears the text:

"May be used once by a player to roll the die and to take the same number of cards from the Draw Pile. The player may keep the best cards and discard the rest. The player must have five cards in his hand (and two cards down) at the end of his turn. Or may be used immediately by a player to eliminate the Shiner vote. This card must be a saved Special to be used immediately."

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Page 16 of the Bunny Bits[/b] (edition Zeta One)states:

• "Lemon Squeezie may be used once by a player to roll the Yellow 12-sided die and to take the same number of cards from the Draw Pile as the number rolled. The player may keep the best cards and discard the rest. The player must keep only the seven cards (five cards in his hand and two cards down)."
  
• "Or Lemon Squeezie may be used immediately by a player to eliminate a Shiner Senator vote (Red Booster Deck). This card must be a saved Special to be used immediately."
  

Taking into account that page 3 of the same edition of Bunny Bits[/i] states that "If a player draws a PLAY IMMEDIATELY (TERRIBLE MISFORTUNE) card during play, then he must stop the game, announce that he has the card, and kill one of his own bunnies in The Bunny Circle."; or that in a case where the player who drew the card must select an opponents bunnies in lieu of his own when he has none in The Bunny Circle. Instances where the player is "drawing up" at the end of his turn and draws a PLAY IMMEDIATELY (TERRIBLE MISFORTUNE)[/i] would necessitate that the player then draw another card in order to end his turn with a five card hand.
As well as the fact that page 6 of the Game Instructions (edition Zeta One clarifies by satisfying the question "Hey! What do I do if I draw a KABALLA DOLLA or METAL card during the game?[/i] with the answer that, "If you draw a KABALLA DOLLA or METAL card during the game, then you must immediately place it down on the table and draw a new card."

Regarding the usage of SPECIAL cards, page 4 of the Bunny Bits states (among other things) that "A player can use any number of saved SPECIAL cards during his turn in addition to his regular play."


Now for the questions (which will be in red in the form of a scenario:

I opted to save the card Lemon Squeezie off to the side by sending it through my RUN because I want to use it at the most opportune time; which has now come to pass. As there is no rule stipulating at which point in my turn I must use my saved SPECIAL card, I decide to do it after flipping my top run card (which we'll just say is a Blue Evil Bunny). As per the text on my Lemon Squeezie card, I roll the yellow 12-sided die and get a 10 which means I start drawing ten cards from the draw pile. As I add cards to my hand (which started with my normal hand of five cards) I find that in addition to a mixture of RUN, SPECIAL, and VERY SPECIAL cards I am also drawing the following: one PLAY IMMEDIATELY card, two KABALLA DOLLA cards, and two METAL cards. According to the rules as quoted above, I must place these cards down immediately which means they never go into my hand; and that means that instead of having a total of fifteen cards from which I am afforded the privilege of selecting the five that I would like to keep as my hand, I would only have a total of ten.

So, does this mean that as I draw each of the PLAY IMMEDIATELY, KABALLA DOLLA, and METAL cards and place them down, that I also draw a new card for each of them in turn in order to have a total of fifteen cards in my hand from which I must select only five to keep before discarding the rest?
And since (in most cases) the act of "drawing up" to six cards to select one to replace the bottom run card and placing it down on the table is the final action of my turn does that mean that I either have to:
a.) discard down to five cards in my hand before "drawing up" to a six card hand and placing my bottom run card down? or
b.) do I have the added luxury of drawing one more card for a total of sixteen in my hand from which I choose one to lay down as my bottom run card before discarding down to only five remaining cards in my hand?

Thank you to everyone who reads through this, considers all of the factors involved and offers feedback!

[TheDavii]

Jul 8, 2011 1:58:02 GMT -5 gothik said:

So, does this mean that as I draw each of the PLAY IMMEDIATELY, KABALLA DOLLA, and METAL cards and place them down, that I also draw a new card for each of them in turn in order to have a total of fifteen cards in my hand from which I must select only five to keep before discarding the rest?
And since (in most cases) the act of "drawing up" to six cards to select one to replace the bottom run card and placing it down on the table is the final action of my turn does that mean that I either have to:
a.) discard down to five cards in my hand before "drawing up" to a six card hand and placing my bottom run card down? or
b.) do I have the added luxury of drawing one more card for a total of sixteen in my hand from which I choose one to lay down as my bottom run card before discarding down to only five remaining cards in my hand?

My opinion is (a), though I haven't done the research to back that up yet.

[gothik]

In regard to that second question, that's what I think too. What are your thoughts on the first question about the scenario I presented?

Jul 8, 2011 1:58:02 GMT -5 gothik said:

So, does this mean that as I draw each of the PLAY IMMEDIATELY, KABALLA DOLLA, and METAL cards and place them down, that I also draw a new card for each of them in turn in order to have a total of fifteen cards in my hand from which I must select only five to keep before discarding the rest?

[TheDavii]

Do you draw replacements as you place down Dolla, Rank, Metals, and other cards that are not "playble" in the traditional sense? (This is because those cards should never be in your hand, so how could they be there to "choose" from in order to place a Bottom Run card?)

So, Yes.

If you draw a Play Immediately! it must be dealt with as appropriate (discard on initial draw, if later, kill bunnies right then, because it might affect whether you can play the rest of your turn, e.g., if you are playing two cards per turn and a TM kills your bunny, you can't play the second card).

[gothik]

Once again, those were my thoughts as well. The exact scenario I described occured for the first time with a group of people that I play with regularly, which sparked scrutinous debate over these clarifications.

[gothik]

I sent this question to Jeff, and here's the clarification that I received from him:

"ok, I think I know where you are going with this.
You get 10 cards. If its a TM, you have to kill your bunny, that's the risk you take with Lemon Squeezie. If you get Metal or Dolla, you just keep them. Then, from the cards you have left (runs special or very specials), and the cards you were originally holding, you get to keep only 5. The rest are discarded.

I hope this helps.

Thanks for writing in. Have a great day!

Jeffrey Bellinger"

[TheDavii]

Again, a surprising answer from JB.

So, am I right in understanding:

That the player can draw 10 cards. If 3 of those are non-playable (Rank, Dolla, etc.) then you have your 7 (10-3) + 5 (in your hand) for a total of 12, of which you need to discard down to 5.

[zerodemon]

That seems to be what the man is saying.

[gothik]

@thedevil - yes, that is correct.
I was very surprised by that clarification, Myself.