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Post by Nathan454 on Sept 5, 2008 16:12:21 GMT -5
I completely remember Watergazer's art. I wish she'd come back, but she had a rift with CTA (see her blog) and seems to have abandoned MC.com Where can I read her blog at?
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Post by Mr. Fribble on Sept 5, 2008 23:13:20 GMT -5
These are good....
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Post by fifisdead on Sept 6, 2008 1:10:38 GMT -5
thanks! As long as you meant to include mine in that blanket statement, which I'm assuming you are, because you didn't say all of these except fifisdead's are good...
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Post by TheDavii on Sept 6, 2008 10:12:25 GMT -5
dedrabbit42's: Hopzilla Roaming Red Run *FOUND*
HaresonFord's Fat Bunny Sings *NOT FOUND* Links seems to be taken down. I had a copy stored, so I put that up for the judging period.
Jeffro's 100th Monkey Theory *FOUND* Rob The Mob (3 different versions) *FOUND*
Freedom Dundam's Witness Protection Program *FOUND*
Kurt's Sucks To Be Ewe *FOUND*
Mustashiod's Roy G Biv *FOUND*
omfgitsvico's General Consensus *FOUND* Abu's Voodoo Doll *FOUND*
samu's Terrible Misfortune Chupacabra *FOUND*
squidtaco's Cry Baby *FOUND* Force Field *FOUND* Cal Carrot Lotto *FOUND*
Stephen K's Black Belt Bunny *FOUND* Bunny Bowling *FOUND* Terrible Misfortune - Lava *FOUND*
Trebor1782's Death Relish *FOUND* Easter Bunny *FOUND* Holy Hand Grenade Of Antioch *FOUND* Hi Coups *FOUND*
Tyberius's Donnelaith Cookbook *FOUND* Assimilation *FOUND*
Watergazer's Fat Bunny Sings *FOUND*
baylorgirl Dizzy Bunny *FOUND*
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Post by fifisdead on Sept 6, 2008 12:33:43 GMT -5
I gave the link to Watergazer's Fat Bunny Sings, it's just the image with no text... I'll try to look for some of them later, my internet is 5.5 mbps at the moment, not sure if it's my new internet card or my old computer...
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Post by TheDavii on Sept 6, 2008 14:18:34 GMT -5
Of the cards I know about, we're only missing:
HaresonFord's Fat Bunny Sings *NOT FOUND* Links seems to be taken down.
Jason Pease's two cards ("Specialty Harem" and "Power Outage") that are on MagicCarrot.com "fan cards" page, but they're turned and have logos on them. Does anybody have straight cards with only the cards in the images?
Hey moosh! Where are you?
Please submit any other cards you are aware of!
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Post by fifisdead on Sept 6, 2008 16:11:46 GMT -5
Hareson hasn't been on for several months so probably no luck PMing him unless he has email alerts set up...but his email is haresonford@gmail.com... edit: I found this in the boards on the Minnesota connection thread "I used to be somewhat active on the board, and have kept this thread bookmarked with email notification. PM me when you're getting a game together. I live up in Forest Lake, but am willing to travel! " So we could post on that and he would get an email notification that way too... Jason hasn't been on for two or three months but you can email him @ jasonmpease@gmail.com...
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Post by TheDavii on Sept 6, 2008 17:24:51 GMT -5
Do you mind emailing them? I put in about 20 hours of work on this and I'm just plain tired... and have to get back to my wife!
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Post by fifisdead on Sept 6, 2008 23:28:06 GMT -5
Alright, I sent that off to them, I thank you for putting so much time and effort into this, if only you would put so much into your cards, more of them might get picked... Just kidding of course, I hope you are enjoying your wife right now... I hope that last part doesn't sound as creepy to you as it did to me as I was typing it... edit so as not to double post: a few things I noticed that may or may not need to change... 1) Abu's Voodoo Doll is 05 and 06?... 2) There are 3 of each Baby Bunny, on purpose?... 3) I don't think Freedom Gundam's Witness Protection Program should count as a card since it is my artwork... 4) in the same vain my Full Speedo ahead is almost exactly Stephenk's just with the proper font, so I don't mind just attributing it to him... Nathan and I would also like to know where we can read Watergazer's blog... I wanted to discuss your definition of fresh as well... I revamp some images from current CTA cards to make them look more like they belong in the game, so should I be docked because of a similarity, I used Deep Space Monkey in my Circle of Life card instead of Rafiki because I wanted it to relate more to the game, should I get docked for that?... also what if I like the way someone's art looks as opposed to someone else's art for the same card that isn't as clean? Just things I'm thinking about instead of trying to finish up a couple more cards... Thanks again for all your hard work... in a completely platonic way...
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Post by TheDavii on Sept 7, 2008 9:16:37 GMT -5
Alright, I sent that off to them, I thank you for putting so much time and effort into this, if only you would put so much into your cards, more of them might get picked... Just kidding of course, I hope you are enjoying your wife right now... I hope that last part doesn't sound as creepy to you as it did to me as I was typing it... edit so as not to double post: a few things I noticed that may or may not need to change... 1) Abu's Voodoo Doll is 05 and 06?... 2) There are 3 of each Baby Bunny, on purpose?... 3) I don't think Freedom Gundam's Witness Protection Program should count as a card since it is my artwork... 4) in the same vain my Full Speedo ahead is almost exactly Stephenk's just with the proper font, so I don't mind just attributing it to him... Nathan and I would also like to know where we can read Watergazer's blog... I wanted to discuss your definition of fresh as well... I revamp some images from current CTA cards to make them look more like they belong in the game, so should I be docked because of a similarity, I used Deep Space Monkey in my Circle of Life card instead of Rafiki because I wanted it to relate more to the game, should I get docked for that?... also what if I like the way someone's art looks as opposed to someone else's art for the same card that isn't as clean? Just things I'm thinking about instead of trying to finish up a couple more cards... Thanks again for all your hard work... in a completely platonic way... All excellent questions! In order: - Abu's Voodoo Doll was an accidental dupe. I have deleted the 2nd one, as I checked and they were exactly the same.
- In mjibber's deck, he has individual numbers for those cards, so they are distinct. If we were to pick "one" of them, which would it be? How would we incorporate that into our ground rules? Would that also affect "Rob The Mob", as those are three substantially similar cards by the same artist (Jeffro), but they are not identical. Rather than my picking one, I thought it would be better to include them all.
- This is a tough call too. If you look at the "Bunny Bits" (links to this forum), it appears that Freedom Dundam's artwork was based on omfgitsvico's (the bunny with the Groucho Marx nose and eyeglasses) and was posted before (Oct 8, 2007 1:45am) yours (Jan 8, 2008 9:53am). [Posting date may not be a reliable indicator of content, however, as we can go back and modify messages. That is the only posting this person has done and has not logged in since with that account, so he or she could not have modified the posting after seeing yours, but may have modified the picture without modifying the posting. See why this is a hard call?] Since many of us borrow ideas from others, it appears that both of you based your work on omfgitsvico's. I might also point out that we all base our ideas on Creative Team Alpha's and bounce ideas off of each other.
- While your "Full Speedo Ahead!" and StephenK's are substantially similar and you based yours on his, they are not exactly the same in content. You changed the card text to read more smoothly. My view is that we leave this up to our volunteer judges, as your card might get ding'ed on originality, but scored higher on quality of card rule and quality of art. We want the "best" [best being determined by our judging criteria] cards to put on Bunny Blanks, don't we, not necessarily who thought of an idea first, but which implemented it best? Are you thinking otherwise? If so, we should discuss changes to the ground rules and judging criteria. Would you want your version of "Free Parking" removed because it implements omfgitsvico's idea?
The definition of "fresh" was omfgitsvico's idea. It sounds like both of us disagree with at least part of the definition. Do you have a proposal for a refinement, should we consider discarding that one, or replacing it with another? I try to make my cards look like they are "official" CTA cards (as best as I can) too. Maybe that can be some part of a revised rule, that cards should "look like" CTA cards? We could list a number of features that CTA cards have, and the more features the higher that criteria should be judged? For the "like the art better even if it isn't as clean", isn't that what the 10th criterion is for? I don't think this should be public, because it is unsubstantiated. However, it only took me 5 min to find it by Googling her name. Here is the link to her blog (it is more set up more like a forum, but mostly she posts with a few responses from fans): "Got Burned?" This may be the thread that started it.
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Post by fifisdead on Sept 7, 2008 9:59:08 GMT -5
1) ok 2) but they're the same card and same art right? if we pick it does that mean we are picking all three? If we did pick it we'd have to go along with his whole extra facet of the game with the Baby store and all...which I don't mind at all but kind of goes against what i was thinking for the 16 card set...just my O... 3) If you'll look at the 7th post of the witness protection program, you'll see that I included a link to the artwork... I hadn't put it on a card yet and so Freedom Dundam took the liberty (and it was a nice gesture) of putting my art on a card, and therefore it is the exact same art, which is mine... 4) I guess that's a good point, in all cases I was just trying to improve their art, but with this criteria I might not get as high a score because it lacks originality...Which makes me think that we need to put the cards in Chronological order(just the duplicates I mean or cards with the same name, alphabetic is just fine for the list as it is) so we would know which one to dock points from...
I thought of something else too...are we going to have our names on the cards that get selected? Maybe along the side or something? I already have my name on the bottom but obviously that'll have to go to make way for the MC Official whatever text on the bottom...
thanks again for all your work on this...
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Post by fifisdead on Sept 8, 2008 18:42:59 GMT -5
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Post by TheDavii on Sept 8, 2008 19:00:54 GMT -5
1) Okay. 2) I did have an error in that I included some of the artwork twice, rather than distinct. That is now fixed. But I think if we start excising cards, we better have some sort of ground rule in place as to why, rather than arbitrarily saying "these are all part of the same mechanic, so none of them are eligible." If that is a rule, we should say so. (But I think that in the judging process, it won't be an issue anyway.) 3) After looking at the artwork again, I see that the sky in Freedom Dundam's card is black (yours is blue) and a cloud moved. But I do remember seeing some art you posted and I think I remember the sky changing color. So I removed that card from the list. 4) I'd be happy to add dates to the links, but I don't know how much value that will add, in the end. It is pretty easy for me to pick out the "evolved" cards from the less refined ones. Again, I think that will come out in the judging.
I think you and I are in agreement, that the "fresh" criterion needs revision. I'm all ears on a proposal.
I suggest that we change it to similarity to CTA cards, with "indistinguishable from CTA" being rated highly and "barely recognizable by a KB fan" being rated low. But a majority of {fifisdead, omfgitsvico, mooshamoosh, and I} should all agree on new criteria.
As far as names go: Do we need names on them? Isn't this a "community" effort where we put our best "children" forward to the world? I put copyright notices that reflect the owner of the property I'm parodying, but I'd probably replace that with something like "MagicCarrot Official Card Set 2009 - TheDavii" and an ID number, just so that if one plays a card that references the ID number, it has one.
Otherwise, the top has a similar space that is not used. Or the side. Do you have a proposal?
Update:
I think I was composing while you had written your previous message. I added the two cards found by Mr. Fibble. We're now at 258.
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Post by fifisdead on Sept 8, 2008 19:21:05 GMT -5
1) Okay. 2) I did have an error in that I included some of the artwork twice, rather than distinct. That is now fix. But I think if we start excising cards, we better have some sort of ground rule in place as to why, rather than arbitrarily saying "these are all part of the same mechanic, so none of them are eligible." If that is a rule, we should say so. (But I think that in the judging process, it won't be an issue anyway.) 3) After looking at the artwork again, I see that the sky in Freedom Dundam's card is black (yours is blue) and a cloud moved. But I do remember seeing some art you posted and I think I remember the sky changing color. So I removed that card from the list. 4) I'd be happy to add dates to the links, but I don't know how much value that will add, in the end. It is pretty easy for me to pick out the "evolved" cards from the less refined ones. Again, I think that will come out in the judging. I think you and I are in agreement, that the "fresh" criterion needs revision. I'm all ears on a proposal. I suggest that we change it to similarity to CTA cards, with "indistinguishable from CTA" being rated highly and "barely recognizable by a KB fan" being rated low. But a majority of {fifisdead, omfgitsvico, mooshamoosh, and I} should all agree on new criteria. As far as names go: Do we need names on them? Isn't this a "community" effort where we put our best "children" forward to the world? I put copyright notices that reflect the owner of the property I'm parodying, but I'd probably replace that with something like "MagicCarrot Official Card Set 2009 - TheDavii" and an ID number, just so that if one plays a card that references the ID number, it has one. Otherwise, the top has a similar space that is not used. Or the side. Do you have a proposal? Update: I think I was composing while you had written your previous message. I added the two cards found by Mr. Fibble. We're now at 256. 1) ok 2-4) ok I like what you put... I just thought for pride sake we could put our names, but we don't have to, but I'm not sure by your statement whether you were for or against it... wow, 256...
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Post by TheDavii on Sept 9, 2008 6:23:56 GMT -5
1) ok 2-4) ok I like what you put... I just thought for pride sake we could put our names, but we don't have to, but I'm not sure by your statement whether you were for or against it... wow, 256... I modified my proposed Ground Rules to reflect this discussion. See what you think. If HaresonFord responds, we might even get 257. Did you want your unfinished Carrot cards to be included in this set? I'm working on one myself (here and there) until my wife is happy with it. You're right, we should probably put our names somewhere on the cards. Are you going to remove the decals from your cards? If you post 2nd images of each without the decal, I can just switch the links so you don't have to take the ones with decals down from the web.
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