Heavenly Halo Debate!

[Jason Pease]

I got an e-mail the other day from this guy:

"It does not count as a bunny. It is placed on a previously played bunny to make it heavenly"

Seriously, thats all it said.

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Okay, so I replied with this e-mail:

"Hello! Thank for visiting magiccarrot.com! While the Heavenly Halo
cannot count as a bunny by itself, when placed on a bunny, the HH can
then be counted as a bunny along with the bunny it was originally
placed on.

According to the official website:

"Card #058 - The Heavenly Halo
The Heavenly Halo bunny can count as one of the three bunnies in a
bunny triplet that allows a player to play two cards per turn. Some
folks always think that the Halo bunny is yellow when really it would
be the same color as the original bunny."

The spirit of the HH is that there is an angelic bunny by the side of
the bunny it is protecting.

Thanks for your interest!

Jason Pease

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Then he wrote back and CC'd the e-mail to Jeff asking him to moderate. and said this:

"Jason,
if that is true that the HH bunny counts as two bunnies and then you could use agressive cards, because the original would not be heavenly only the HH would be. If the HH is the only one you have out you can not use aggressive cards."

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So I finally wrote back with this e-mail:

Eagles8528,

As I understand it from Version Epsilon of the Official Killer Bunnies
Rulebook, the HH, when placed on an existing bunny, adds another
bunny toward getting a bunny triplet. It does not change or take the
place of the bunny it is played on which is why the Fingercuffs
(Green Booster) can cause 2 bunnies to share the HH and in the White
Booster deck, the 'Heavenly Halo Handoff' card will allow the HH to
be moved around the bunny circle.

The HH may only be played onto an existing bunny and cannot be played
by itself.

I will try and re-write my description on my website to make these
facts clearer.

Again, I appreciate your interest in magiccarrot.com and Killer
Bunnies.

Take Care,

Jason Pease
Owner/Admin
www.magiccarrot.com

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I guess this guy isn't going to give up until he's proven wrong by Jeff. Ah well.

Jason

[Eagles8528]

Sorry for the color mistake.Let me fix this once and for all. Quoted from Blue Bunny Bits.

"Card #058 - The Heavenly Halo
The Heavenly Halo bunny can count as one of the three bunnies in a bunny triplet that allows a player to play two cards per turn. Some folks always think that the Halo bunny is yellow when really it would
be the same color as the original bunny."

I suggest you change the following examples from you card strategy page becuase they only have two bunnies or pawns in them and you need have three bunnies or pawns to make a triplet to play a second card.

"The HH counts as a bunny when played on an existing living bunny, so if you have a double specialty bunny attached to the Heavenly Halo, you can play two cards per turn. The HH takes on the same color as the bunny it's played on.
For instance, if you have a Double Free Agent with a Heavenly Halo you can play two cards per turn. If you have one pawn and a Heavenly Halo'd Free Agent Bunny, you can play two cards per turn. If you have a colored pawn, and a matching colored bunny with the HH, you can play two cards per turn."


If you want to continue the discussion do it by email, I severly despise seeing everything I say in an email quoted for the entire world to see. Would you like it if you were in my shoes? And by the way... I'm a chick.

[Jason Pease]

Well, I didn't use any names but if you wish to own up to the emails thats fine. Besides, CC'ing your e-mails to Jeff without my permission was about the same.

As far as the HH is concerned, it's really very simple. The HH counts as a bunny for a bunny triplet, in addition to any other bunnies or pawns on the table. Pawns count as bunnies too. But color only.

If I have the 'Ye Royal Bunnies' card, and I play the HH on it, I can then play two cards per turn because I have:

The 'Royal Bunnies' - Double Bunnies
The HEavenly Halo - Single Bunny

Thats three.

If I played the HH on 'Marilyn Bunroe', which is a single specialty bunny, and also had any color pawn, I could play two cards because I would have:

'Marilyn Bunroe' - Single Specialty
Heavenly Halo - Single Bunny
Any Color Pawn - Single Bunny

Three again.

This is all explained in the bits and rules and might seem a bit confusing at first but I assure you this is how it works.

I apologize for the gender mistake and apologize if I stepped over the line. I don't like e-mailing Jeff that much because he is so busy. I usually just call him if I have something terribly important to ask.

Jason

[Karmaween]

my two cents as bunny agent #052:

"Card #058 - The Heavenly Halo
The Heavenly Halo bunny can count as one of the three bunnies in a bunny triplet that allows a player to play two cards per turn. Some folks always think that the Halo bunny is yellow when really it would
be the same color as the original bunny."TEXT

ok let us go through this one word or phrase at a time. Heavenly Halo is not a bunny. the bunny it is played on is the bunny. The bunny the halo is attached too counts as the bunny towards making triplets.

Now i don't seriously think Bellinger would create a card that counts as bunny without saying so. The first sentence in the bunny bits phrase says the "heavenly halo bunny" which means "bunny"

And your second example:

'Marilyn Bunroe' - Single Specialty
Heavenly Halo - Single Bunny
Any Color Pawn - Single Bunny

I think is incorrect as well because Specialty Bunnies have no color, so they do not mix and match with pawns, which denote color.

Granted i could be mistaken about this whole thing, because there are a GREAT many rules and tiny inconsistencies that are discovered depending on who you play with.

[Another two cents]

I'd have to agree with Karmaween here. Heavenly Halo isn't another bunny, but rather just an enhancement like Lucky Clover or Albino Baby 5000. The clarification about HH not being a yellow bunny simply means that HH doesn't make the bunny that it enhances yellow.

Also, like Karmaween said, you cannot make a bunny triplet from a single Specialty bunny, the Heavenly Halo, and any color pawn because: (1) Specialty bunnies are colorless and only make triplets with other Specialty bunnies; (2) the HH is not a bunny; and (3) a pawn would need at least two other bunnies of the same color to make a triplet.

[karmaween]

I hope this puts it to rest Jason. You need to see this.

Hello David,
Although we commend fan based websites such as magic carrot,
they don't
always get it right. Neither the halo or specialty / pawn
issues are
correct. Please write to the guy and ask him to contact me ASAP
so that we
can correct these misconceptions.

Remeber, I am always here for my agents, so give me a call to
get a rules
clarification 'from the horse's mouth'.

Take care and have a great tournament!

Jeffrey Bellinger
(The Horse)




> Hello Mr. Bellinger & Company:
>
> My question regards the Heavenly Halo. I am bunny agent 052.
I am running
> my first tournament this weekend and an issue has arisen with
some friends
> of mine over the exact wording and rules for this card. Maybe
you have
> received e-mails about a website, www.magiccarrot.com
>
> On this website it has been stated that the Heavenly Halo
actually counts a
> bunny, so a single bunny with the Halo attached, and another
bunny makes a
> triplet. Is this true?
>
> My feeling is that it does not, there has never been anything
about it bunny
> bits or on any other rules books i have seen.
>
> Clearing this up for me would be a great thing, because there
seems to be a
> few people who believe this to be true, and i wish to have a
smooth
> tournament.
>
> Thank you for taking the time to address this issue,
> Agent 052, David Wade
>
> P.S. This person also believes a double specialty bunny + any
pawn = a
> triplet. I say no because a pawn denotes color, and specialty
bunnies are
> triplets that can only make triplets with other specialty
bunnies.


Yee haw the debate is over, now let's play!

[Jason Pease]

Ack! Ah well, it doesn't make much sense to me why the rules would say the HH counts as a bunny if it works like a clover. The containment suit doesn't have such a description. In fact, most every card played on a bunny has a bunny on it so why would the rules say that the card itself counts as a bunny toward a bunny triplet? It makes no sense.

And people, I'm not just pulling this stuff outta thin air, all these things have been taken directly from the rules. For instance:

The Orange Bunny Bits say "A Pawn can act as a colored bunny to create a Bunny Triplet and allow the player to play a second card per turn."

Okay, so we know a player has the option to use it as a colored bunny.

So if I have the Marilyn Bunroe specialty bunny and two pawns, I can then play two cards per turn. The specialty bunny allows any player with any three bunnies to play two cards per turn. Once the specialty bunny is laid down, all players with mismatched bunnies, as long as they have three, can play two cards per turn. So I now have the specialty bunny and 'two pawns that can act as a colored bunny to create a Bunny Triplet and allow the player to play a second card per turn.'

This issue, as opposed to the HH debate, seems very clear.

[Jason Pease]

This thread is closed pending discussion by phone with Mr. Bellinger. I will post an update on the main page once I have had the chance to speak with him.

Thanks for your patience!

[Jason Pease]

Okay folks, it seems the problem was with the wording on the KB website. The bunny that is Heavenly Halo'ed counts as a bunny toward a bunny triplet.

Also, pawns can only be used with regular old bunnies. No specialty bunnies.

I think my problem is that I read too much into the rules. I just need to take them for what they are! The site will be updated with this current information.

P.S. Go SOX!

Jason